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crashfaster wrote:I'm going to go ahead with the rest of my planned touring mods (Sargent seat, engine protection, driving lights, top box).
I'm going to relax and have faith that this amazing machine will get me where I want to go.
Back in 1985 I did the 4-Corners Tour plus an additional 5000 miles through the Arizona/Utah canyons on a Suzuki GS650G, the little brother of the legendary GS850G. Those bikes were accurately described by a name every manufacturer fears to use now--standards. Comfortable, natural riding position, air-cooled 4-cylinder, triple-disk brakes, shaft-drive, 17" wheels front and back. Suzuki was famous for providing comfortable stock seats. I added a Rifle bar-mount fairing (similar to the Parabellum Scout), a sheepskin cover for the saddle, Krauser hard bags and rear rack, and Gold Belt grips. Camera, rain gear, maps and various tools rode in a Eureka tank bag, and camping gear was stuffed in a waterproof bag and bungied to the back. Then, as now, I traveled with a full-face helmet, full rain gear, and an electric vest. Suzukis were justly reknowned for their durability and reliability, and not once did it ever occur to me that my bike was insufficient for such a tour. I had a great time, saw the continent the right way, and didn't experience a single mechanical malfunction the entire trip. The "little" 4 usually left my hands tingling by the end of a 12-hour day, but that's the only complaint I ever had (and the primary reason I bought a big twin this time).

If the manufacturers would stop calling these extraordinary machines, which are the very essence of motorcycling, "naked", maybe we could get on with equipping them the way we want without having to be so concerned with appearance and propriety. Perhaps you could ask a question about windshields on this forum without having the usual chest-thumpers proclaiming that fully "naked" was some sort of divine proclamation and that wanting a little weather protection was the converse confirmation of sissyhood.

That said, after I got over the funky-looking Telelever and beak combo, it eventually dawned on me that my silver RR is quite possibly the best looking motorcycle I've ever seen. After unkinking my knees and completely removing butt pain as an excuse for quitting early with the addition of a Sargent saddle, slowing the wind blast with a Givi minifairing, and securely stowing my gear with the excellent BMW side luggage, the R has become, without a doubt, the most comfortable and functional bike I've ever ridden (and there aren't many I haven't ridden, including Gold Wings, Harleys, and Ducatis)--and, oh, what I wouldn't have given for those miraculous heated hand grips on the old Suzuki. I've been on two long tours so far (including a few 700-mile days) and I have a 3000-mile trip scheduled for the coming summer. I'm going to be adding a Parabellum Scout to knock back the wind a bit more and a big Hepco-Becker TC50 to carry the camera gear and hold the riding jacket for stops. What more would I want in a motorcycle? Even with all the additions, the bike still looks good and carries the visual and actual weight of its adornments with class. It's supremely comfortable, handles like a sport bike when I ask it to, or cruises at 80 mph all day long on the Interstate when I have no other choice.

The only real problem I ever had with comfort on the mid-weight Suzuki during my 4-Corners blast was the extreme heat I faced crossing the south from Southern Cal to Florida and during the desert-canyon tour on the way home, and full-fairing weather protection would only have made that worse. Sure, when it's raining buckets or struggling to stay above freezing, that protection is welcome, but there's something to be said for a "naked" bike in extreme heat, and providing the cold-weather protection with clothing is--for me--a better option. These days, we're blessed with mesh riding gear that didn't exist in the early '80's as well as truly multi-functional textile riding gear that is usefully vented, armored and abrasion protected, and waterproof. Add the heated grips and an electric vest, and weather versatility greatly exceeds that of a large, dedicated tourer like a Gold Wing. If you'll notice, those folks typically deal with the heat by shedding their protective riding gear; not considered an option at this house.

In short, the BMW R1150R is, in my opinion, a perfect MOTORCYCLE, and that is something the manufacturers in general and the motorcycle press in particular have completely forgotten in their relentless pursuit of niche marketing. I ride my bike everywhere, all the time, for errands, recreational weekend rides in the mountains, and, yes, for LD touring. The more journalists drive motorcycling into niches, the more trivial it becomes, and the less able the average rider will be to resist the marketing foolishness that tells him a liter bike is "mid-size" and a standard configuration is too boring and generally competent to handle the "specialized" rigors of touring. Bull. How many cars do you need to do everything you routinely do in a car? Why shouldn't one motorcycle be just as sufficient?

You got a great bike. Frankly, looking ahead to doing another 4-Corner Tour with my wife along on her own bike is precisely why I bought two R1150Rs. I can't imagine riding anything else.
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I have the same doubt

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I hav been playing around for 1 1/2 week (1.500 kmts) with my new 2002 R 1150R.

Being 41 I have all my live ride trail motorbikes (DT 125 / Xt 350 / TENERE 660 - which I already own), and I had to adjust myself to the new toy.

Sporty Riding position - OK after 400 kmts
Shock absobers - currently both in the softest position after 1.000 kmts test.
Leaning into the curves - still not found the bike limit. I am still a bit lost in this point, because I usually brake too much and I handle the curve too slow.
Short gears (for my taste) - not convinced already.

So this is the question: I mainly ride on the weekend 150 to 250 ktms rides on mountain roads (very bad roads, but no gravel roads) and I am continuosly thinking I would be off better with the GS- plus the possiblity of exploring some dirt roads and gravel roads thay lie around the tracks I normally ride.

Does anybody have the same sensation ? - Better off with the GS
Has anybody installed the GS undermotor protection for riding on gravel or
dirt roads?
Has anybody changed the handlebar angle to change the riding position ?
Is there any trick to increase the suspension length

I do not like very much the idea of changing handlebar, footrest, etc because I would finish with a Frankenstein GS.

On the other hand, the GS seems to me way too heavy and really imposing (not even thinking of the repair bill after a drop) for open field use. --- And is really UGLY and EXPENSIVE ---

I am really considering keeping the TENERE for ON-OFF road use and the R1150R for commuting for work and weekend rides, but keeping two bikes is having to decide every day what would I do instead of riding to see what would I find.

Is there any important inconvenience in riding the R1150R in rough trails, but the kind of road if necessary you would drive your normal car (not 4x4 or SUV) - sedan type ???

What modifications - improvements or special care would you recommend for this occasional off road hike ( 15 to 30 kmts every 3 to 6 months) ???


Thank in advance to all and specially to Doug for setting up this FABULOUS forum.


Regards from Europe , Javier Pastor
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Post by TicTac50 »

Javier
I do not have much experience with the GS. My friend has one and occasionally we switch our bikes. The reason GS feels different from our bikes is primarily the height and the handlebars. I installed on my bike Wunderlich touring Handlebars (Part #1624590) with modified bar backs. The first time I took my bike for a spin, it felt like my bike lost at least 150 pounds (68.00kg ):D . For $120.00, it is worth a try. I went with my bike on the gravel road for about 3-4 miles and for sure, I did have better control of the bike. If you planning to spend considerable time riding off roads or bad roads, I would suggest Engine Protection Bars with PIAA lights.
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Post by iowabeakster »

This is a good topic. Different bikes, different folks, different needs...it's tough to give advice to somebody else who's preferences will be different.

If you guys are looking at the GS. GO RIDE IT. It may be exactly what you should be riding. We all love our bikes. You may love some other bike even more.

For me, The R is great. It is a bike that completely fills my motorcycling needs: Joyrides, day-trips, (and hopefully more) light touring duty. I don't want a heavy tourer or off-road capability (that's what tractors are for).


Enough about me.

If the GS has some real appeal to you, it is probably for good reason. I think you should check it out.
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I think you are correct,as everyone is different in there needs.
There is no such thing as a bad bike these days, so anything will do the job if you have the determination to get out and have a go.
I have ridden the GS, and yes I liked it too. A lot easier to ride than my R1150GS that I had.
Would I buy one? Yes, if that was what I wanted at the time.
Try all that is available, and as I do, eliminate the ones you dont like,
then yor list gets shorter until you are totally confused. :D
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Post by bikermeow »

Wanted to get a GS; then realised that (a) I'm too short (b) where I lived and ride to there aren't many bad roads that i'll travel on (c) GS looks really ugly without panniers and I can't split lanes comfortably with them.

Bought an RR, did it up to my liking; and yes; it ended up looking a tad like a GS, but more importantly; I like the look and ride now.

To each his own; I say and any bike you ride is the correct bike, so long as you are happy.

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Trips on my R

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2004 R1150R. Been on some fairly long rides, system cases and sport windscreen now. Tank bag when I'm out for more than a day or two. I envy all the accessories or peripherals that the GS has available, but I make do and for me that's part of the fun. I spend hours agonizing over how to get what I want where I want to take it. It's a fine agony. :D I keep my bike out of the rough since I run Z6's on it and they suck in mud and sand (which I've demonstrated but that's another story.)
The places I like to go usually have nice twisty roads so the R keeps me safe and smiling for the majority of the rides I've taken to date.
I'm only 5'9" so the height of the GS was a detractor, as well as a case of the uglies.
Keeping the R on the road keeps me from doing really stupid things (well, at least a certain class of really stupid things.)
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