Even when its helping a friend
But Not so much when you friend buys some COLD BEER!
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roxrider
just a reminder - Clutches -
I hate putting in new clutches
Even when its helping a friend
But Not so much when you friend buys some COLD BEER!
Even when its helping a friend
But Not so much when you friend buys some COLD BEER!
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darthrider
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dallara
Roxrider...
Roxrider...
Man, looks like you have voided your warranty for sure...
Better not let any BMW reps see that pic!
BTW, does anybody think that PC-infected "Mod" will lock this thread down since that *SHAFT* and one of those *JUGS* is exposed?
And, by God... You can also see the *TIPS* of the *HEAD* pipes, and gear *BOX* is *SPREAD* out onto the floor for all the world to see, too...
Not to mention the *REAR END* being all hiked up suggestively like that...
Cheers!
Dallara
Man, looks like you have voided your warranty for sure...
Better not let any BMW reps see that pic!
BTW, does anybody think that PC-infected "Mod" will lock this thread down since that *SHAFT* and one of those *JUGS* is exposed?
And, by God... You can also see the *TIPS* of the *HEAD* pipes, and gear *BOX* is *SPREAD* out onto the floor for all the world to see, too...
Not to mention the *REAR END* being all hiked up suggestively like that...
Cheers!
Dallara
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Paul Mihalka
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I hope somebody does not start messing with them.
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darthrider
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NO, I am quite offended!Suck, squeeze, bang, blow. (Can I say that?)
You will henceforth use the more Politically Correct and Acceptable In Polite Company version: "Intake, Compression, Power & Exhaust".
The very idea...
Dave
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I've spent most of my life on motorcycles, the rest I've just wasted...
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I've spent most of my life on motorcycles, the rest I've just wasted...
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dallara
Nope, Darth...
Nope, Darth...
Better not use that word "Power", as it might imply you wish to express dominance over some ethic, gender, or economic group or individual. They might become threatened and become woefully insecure...
Better use "motive force" or "expansion cycle" or some other non-threatening, non-dominance connected verbage so as to avoid offending the delicate sensibilities of some of our more insecure viewers...
Wouldn't want to add to their feelings of inadequacy, would you?
Cheers!
Dallara
Better not use that word "Power", as it might imply you wish to express dominance over some ethic, gender, or economic group or individual. They might become threatened and become woefully insecure...
Better use "motive force" or "expansion cycle" or some other non-threatening, non-dominance connected verbage so as to avoid offending the delicate sensibilities of some of our more insecure viewers...
Wouldn't want to add to their feelings of inadequacy, would you?
Cheers!
Dallara
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BTW, that's also the degree of "take-apart" necessary to grease the splines. It looks like major surgery, but it's just a few dozen nut's-N-bolts. In the process of removing the swingarm, it's also a good time to set the two swingarm bearing freeplay adjustments. You'll need a heatgun to soften the red Locktite and it's a good idea to do this first, right after a long drive where there's a lot of heat already in the system.
From the looks of that pic, you were smart in hooking up that centerstand tie-down to the front wheel. I'd tighten it up more before you go pushing the tranny back into place.
This is also a perfect time to remove the otherwise inaccessable clutch slave and pump out the slave piston to clean out the poo mess that likes to accumulate over time. That may require a lot more beer, but it's worth it.
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Wow, the NetNanny didn't like the word Babysh!t
From the looks of that pic, you were smart in hooking up that centerstand tie-down to the front wheel. I'd tighten it up more before you go pushing the tranny back into place.
This is also a perfect time to remove the otherwise inaccessable clutch slave and pump out the slave piston to clean out the poo mess that likes to accumulate over time. That may require a lot more beer, but it's worth it.EDIT:
Wow, the NetNanny didn't like the word Babysh!t
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Parts and Beer
So all it costs is parts and cold beer. Is it cheaper then going to the dealership
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Cost me $299 for the clutch kit delivered to the house from Chicago bmw. I bet the dealer(stealer) will charge $1200 to do it. That includes the two pressure plates, disc, and spring. It's really a very easy job. The scariest part is getting those Pivot bearing bolts out without stripping. You got to use lots of heat.
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So, you "bet" the dealer (stealer) would charge that...but you don't know.I bet the dealer(stealer) will charge $1200 to do it.
Wonder how much he would actually charge?
How long is this taking you?
What would *you* charge for it?
Before you answer, remember you have a lease payment, office help, workmen's comp, insurance, utilities, taxes, inventory costs...you know, all those little things it costs you everyday so you can be there to install clutches, etc.
Oh, don't forget all those niggling expenses at home that you need a bit of $$ left over to cover too.
If you're just trying to say a DIY clutch job is a good way for a home mechanic to save some dough, fine.
If you're trying to say a dealer is stealing because he charges for his services, you better back up and get some facts.
Maybe *your* dealer steals. Maybe you should change dealers if so.
Most don't.
Maybe you just think it's cool to bash motorcycle dealers?
Dave
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I've spent most of my life on motorcycles, the rest I've just wasted...
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I guess you buy your tires from a dealer(stealer). I buy my tires from southwest moto--$212 delivered to the house. Explain to me why my dealer Wants $400 for two new tires mounted and balanced. Have you ever seen a dealer balance the rim by itself to find the heavy spot so you can line up the light spot on the tire to eliminate unneeded weight. I don't think so. What I am saying the only way to know your bike has been serviced right is to do it yourself. It makes me feel better when I am running along at 100mph to know the every bolt and nut is torqued right rather than leaving it up to someone else and praying they knew what they were doing. How about buying a $20K bike, then taking it back for 600 miles service and getting ripped for $300 more dollars. If you enjoy paying for the dealers overhead that's your choice
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Dear "Guest" -
Oh, I thought you were talking about a clutch job...
But never mind, it's kind of the same thing.
The tire price deal, internet vs dealer is a longer subject than I really want to get into on a Sat afternoon and since you "know all about this" anyway why would I bother wasting time with a closed mind?
As to the mounting & balancing there is, or should be, much more to it than just that. Any good dealer or any good shop will also be looking for wheel bearing problems, cracks in cast rims, loose spokes or dents in spoked whels, failing valve stems, etc. Maybe you do all this yourself, maybe you don't. *Most* motorcycle shop customers don't and there is a lot of service and preventive maintenance also involved in a proper mount & balance. He *might* just be helping keep some people's dumb or ignorant asses alive. And yes Virginia, there is some "CYA" for the dealer in that too since you may not know about, or neglect these things and the dealer can't afford for you to neglect your way into a preventable accident and then have your "1-800- THE DOGS" contingency lawyer dragging him to court because you are not as smart as you think you are.
When I was a tech at a BMW "stealer", anytime we had a rear wheel off an airhead we always cleaned & lubed the rear drive-to-wheel splines as well. We also gave the whole bike a good checkover looking for other problems. Didn't have to, didn't even charge extra for it. It's called "service" and caring about your customers.
Good service work does cost money. Or not. In a good dealership it does. You get what you pay for generally.
Of course there is validity in what you say about not having to worry about nuts & bolts if you have done the maintenance yourself, assuming you know what you're doing and the dealer doesn't. If you don't have that confidence in your dealer, you're in the wrong place. Find a good one, I know good ones and bad ones...guess where I trade? I also take the time & effort to establish a relationship with my dealers and get to really know them. It pays off for me and them. I send the good ones lots of business. Since I have a rep of generally knowing what I'm doing, I keep lots of business away from the bad ones too.
But then to me, motorcycling is all about a *lot* more than bragging to my buddies about how cheap I buy my tires.
First, I don't buy $20K bikes. But if I did, or with my $10K 50R, or $10K Speed Triple, or $6K MZ Motard, I was more than happy to take them all back for a 600 mile check. The charges have all struck me as very reasonable, especially since I ask them to *not* change any fluids because I'd like to do that myself to save some $$. They are happy to comply. They are also happy to have their factory trained & certified techs check my bikes over real well, do critical adjustments, inspections, tech upgrades and a dozen more things that I, in all my brilliance, may not know or think about.
And of course, there is that great "checkoff" in the warranty book for the first service/warranty check to establish evidence of a good faith effort to keep my bike in good shape should I ever need any leverage in a marginal warranty call. And it keeps my dealer happy so he will help me "above and beyond" what he really has to do in those cases. That happened to me *twice* when the rear drive in my "Masterpiece of German Engineering" BMW failed after it was out of warranty. I wonder how I would have fared had the dealer known I thought he was - and called him - a "stealer".
I don't really "enjoy" paying for the dealer's overhead but I don't mind it either. I may not be a genius but I know enough to realize that's what keeps him in business so I can buy bikes, buy accessories, get work done, get free advice, hang out and all the other things us non-cheapskates get at good a motorcycle dealer.
Of course, the cheapskates generally are only too happy to soak up all the things a good dealership offers too...except for the part where they have to reach for their dusty & moth infested wallets.
I just returned from the Triumph dealer where I bought my Speed Triple. The front brake lever seemed a tad soft. They changed the fluid - free. They very carefully bled the brakes - free. They searched for, found and gave me a fine thread metric bolt I needed and didn't have - free. I drank coffee, a Coke, ate a couple of slices of pizza & a cookie while I was there - free. The Svc. Mgr. spent some time talking with me and advising me on several mods I'm planning - free. The owner and his wife spent some time listening to my thoughts about what I wanted to do for an upgraded exhaust system, then told me where I could get one cheaper than what they could do.
Then I bought $12.00 worth of stickers and patches and they charged me *full price*. The cheap bastards didn't even offer me a discount.
I should have raised hell...
Oh, I thought you were talking about a clutch job...
But never mind, it's kind of the same thing.
The tire price deal, internet vs dealer is a longer subject than I really want to get into on a Sat afternoon and since you "know all about this" anyway why would I bother wasting time with a closed mind?
As to the mounting & balancing there is, or should be, much more to it than just that. Any good dealer or any good shop will also be looking for wheel bearing problems, cracks in cast rims, loose spokes or dents in spoked whels, failing valve stems, etc. Maybe you do all this yourself, maybe you don't. *Most* motorcycle shop customers don't and there is a lot of service and preventive maintenance also involved in a proper mount & balance. He *might* just be helping keep some people's dumb or ignorant asses alive. And yes Virginia, there is some "CYA" for the dealer in that too since you may not know about, or neglect these things and the dealer can't afford for you to neglect your way into a preventable accident and then have your "1-800- THE DOGS" contingency lawyer dragging him to court because you are not as smart as you think you are.
When I was a tech at a BMW "stealer", anytime we had a rear wheel off an airhead we always cleaned & lubed the rear drive-to-wheel splines as well. We also gave the whole bike a good checkover looking for other problems. Didn't have to, didn't even charge extra for it. It's called "service" and caring about your customers.
Good service work does cost money. Or not. In a good dealership it does. You get what you pay for generally.
Of course there is validity in what you say about not having to worry about nuts & bolts if you have done the maintenance yourself, assuming you know what you're doing and the dealer doesn't. If you don't have that confidence in your dealer, you're in the wrong place. Find a good one, I know good ones and bad ones...guess where I trade? I also take the time & effort to establish a relationship with my dealers and get to really know them. It pays off for me and them. I send the good ones lots of business. Since I have a rep of generally knowing what I'm doing, I keep lots of business away from the bad ones too.
But then to me, motorcycling is all about a *lot* more than bragging to my buddies about how cheap I buy my tires.
Man, that's an easy one!How about buying a $20K bike, then taking it back for 600 miles service and getting ripped for $300 more dollars. If you enjoy paying for the dealers overhead that's your choice.
First, I don't buy $20K bikes. But if I did, or with my $10K 50R, or $10K Speed Triple, or $6K MZ Motard, I was more than happy to take them all back for a 600 mile check. The charges have all struck me as very reasonable, especially since I ask them to *not* change any fluids because I'd like to do that myself to save some $$. They are happy to comply. They are also happy to have their factory trained & certified techs check my bikes over real well, do critical adjustments, inspections, tech upgrades and a dozen more things that I, in all my brilliance, may not know or think about.
And of course, there is that great "checkoff" in the warranty book for the first service/warranty check to establish evidence of a good faith effort to keep my bike in good shape should I ever need any leverage in a marginal warranty call. And it keeps my dealer happy so he will help me "above and beyond" what he really has to do in those cases. That happened to me *twice* when the rear drive in my "Masterpiece of German Engineering" BMW failed after it was out of warranty. I wonder how I would have fared had the dealer known I thought he was - and called him - a "stealer".
I don't really "enjoy" paying for the dealer's overhead but I don't mind it either. I may not be a genius but I know enough to realize that's what keeps him in business so I can buy bikes, buy accessories, get work done, get free advice, hang out and all the other things us non-cheapskates get at good a motorcycle dealer.
Of course, the cheapskates generally are only too happy to soak up all the things a good dealership offers too...except for the part where they have to reach for their dusty & moth infested wallets.
I just returned from the Triumph dealer where I bought my Speed Triple. The front brake lever seemed a tad soft. They changed the fluid - free. They very carefully bled the brakes - free. They searched for, found and gave me a fine thread metric bolt I needed and didn't have - free. I drank coffee, a Coke, ate a couple of slices of pizza & a cookie while I was there - free. The Svc. Mgr. spent some time talking with me and advising me on several mods I'm planning - free. The owner and his wife spent some time listening to my thoughts about what I wanted to do for an upgraded exhaust system, then told me where I could get one cheaper than what they could do.
Then I bought $12.00 worth of stickers and patches and they charged me *full price*. The cheap bastards didn't even offer me a discount.
I should have raised hell...
Dave
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At my local dealer you get 10% off parts if you buy a new bike from him. You can get the parts at Chicago Bmw for 20% off without buying anything from them. Go figure. I don't buy a bmw unless its 10 years old so really I have no need for a stealer. I have a 94 RRS and a 96 RRT that I paid $4k and $5.6K respectively. I quess you could call me a cheap rascal. The dealer in my area is an *&^*&%, so I guess I could be biased.