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TO Retorque or NOT to retorque

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:26 pm
by slowtorque
I do all my own work on my bikes (with a bit of help from you fine fellows). I bought my 04 R1150R in 2010 with only 6k miles on it. Still looks new at 13k. I was reading the service manual and noted it calling for retorquing the head bolts at the 600 mile service. Trouble is, I know my bike had the dealer service at 6k by the PO, but I did not see a record for the 600 mile service. He obviously rarely rode it, and I rather doubt he had the 600 mile service done. In case he did though, is there any harm in my doing the head retorque at this point? I wish I could contact him and ask but I have forgotten his name. I do recall the very sad look he had as I pulled out of his drive on the bike (his wife hated it and wanted it gone from day one; she was smiling and so was I). Thanks

Re: TO Retorque or NOT to retorque

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:37 am
by spoon
I don't know that it would hurt anything to put a touque wrench on the head bolts and pull to the specified touque. I would not loosen and retouque them. Generally not a good idea. However I did loosen and retorque mine to chance the pushrods at about 30,000 miles. Still not sure if that was a good move. But no obvious problems.

Re: TO Retorque or NOT to retorque

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:28 pm
by slowtorque
There is actually no final specified torque as far as I know. It is a starting torque and a finishing 90 degree rotation. I have not seen a peak torque spec for these bolts.

Re: TO Retorque or NOT to retorque

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:56 pm
by goomicoo
slowtorque wrote:There is actually no final specified torque as far as I know. It is a starting torque and a finishing 90 degree rotation. I have not seen a peak torque spec for these bolts.
90 degrees?
I thought it was 180 degrees?

Re: TO Retorque or NOT to retorque

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:23 am
by slowtorque
Yes, 180 not 90.

Re: TO Retorque or NOT to retorque

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:39 pm
by goomicoo
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slowtorque wrote:Yes, 180 not 90.

Re: TO Retorque or NOT to retorque

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:58 am
by CycleRob
When you loosen each nut (and the 10mm hexhead) individually, oil the threads. Torque to 22 ft-lbs then go an additional 180 degrees (an exact 1/2 turn). Here is the torquing pattern for Left & Right cylinders:
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You should also set the rocker arm end float clearance and I would not go less than .003" - - - to allow for a decent oil clearance in a very hot engine.

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Re: TO Retorque or NOT to retorque

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:43 pm
by slowtorque
Excellent, thanks for the info. I was able to contact the dealership where this bike was purchased and it turns out that the original owner did have the 600 mile service done (albeit at 1400 miles). So, I am resting much easier now. I did not want to take a chance of overstretching a bolt on a retorque, not knowing whether it had been done or not.

Re: TO Retorque or NOT to retorque

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:09 pm
by Rog(UK) - Yorkshire Dales
When you loosen each nut (and the 10mm hexhead) individually, oil the threads
I'm not sure about that, Rob. Shouldn't they be torqued DRY (but obviously free to rotate easily).

On the subject of torquing the head bolts, I would simply back-off each one in turn; make sure it is free to turn easily, then torque it as per instructions.

Rog

Re: TO Retorque or NOT to retorque

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:10 pm
by goomicoo
Rog(UK) - Yorkshire Dales wrote:
When you loosen each nut (and the 10mm hexhead) individually, oil the threads
I'm not sure about that, Rob. Shouldn't they be torqued DRY (but obviously free to rotate easily).

On the subject of torquing the head bolts, I would simply back-off each one in turn; make sure it is free to turn easily, then torque it as per instructions.

Rog
The book calls for wet torque

Re: TO Retorque or NOT to retorque

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:52 am
by Rog(UK) - Yorkshire Dales
Thanks Goomicoo - and sorry to doubt you Rob! I didn't have the manual to hand and I was in doubt, but am glad you cleared it up.

Rog