Parabellum Sport Windshield - First Impressions

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Parabellum Sport Windshield - First Impressions

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I've been diligently reading as many windshield threads as I can find, trying to make sense of things. What kind, how high, what rake seems to work, and so on. This is actually my second attempt at finding the Right Windshield™, my first being a CeeBaileys 20". If the collective experience here is any indication, I've got a few more windshields yet to try before I give up in frustration. :)

One of the complaints that I have about the CeeBaileys (that seems to be echoed here) is that it doesn't have enough rake. That is, it isn't tipped back far enough, and produces a lot of noise because of it. I'm actually not 100% convinced it's just the rake, I think there's another factor at play, but I'll leave that for a future post. In trying to come up with an alternative to the CeeBaileys, though, I was definitely looking for something tipped a lot farther back. The best example of that, as far as I can tell, is the Parabellum Sport windshield.

So I called them on the phone to ask a few pre-purchase questions, the most important one being: how is the height above the headlight actually measured? Is it the rise, or is it the surface distance of the plastic itself? They confirmed that the measurements given are surface distance, which given the aggressive rake meant that I could order a taller screen. I'm actually kind of shortish -- 5'8", and I have a low-ish seat on my bike. Still, I ordered the 26" version (the tallest they had) figuring that I could always cut it down if necessary. Hey, I've got a bandsaw!

Fast forward a week or so, and my windshield shows up promptly on my doorstep in a huge box. They were friendly on the phone and prompt with shipping, so big kudos to them for that.

In The Box
The Parabellum Sport Windshield comes with the windshield, four brackets pre-attached to the windshield, two curved top brackets for connection to the headset, and all the nuts, bolts, and washers necessary to mount the windshield. Nothing else but tools and loc-tite are necessary.

Mount
This is where things get a little uglier.

First off, I hate the mounts for this windscreen. A lot. Part of the problem is that I have Moto-Techniques bar backs, and the mounting system for this windshield is pretty much incompatible with them. The handlebar cables which would normally go under the Parabellum brackets interfere in a big way when the handlebars are higher than stock. Even then, though, the mount foregoes a perfectly good BMW mount point in favor of bolting directly to the handlebar clamps, with some huge pieces of curved steel extending from the handlebar clamp to the windshield. With the bar backs, the only way I could get this to work was by flipping over the curved brackets and mounting them so that they obscure the gauges (see picture).

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Obviously, if you have stock handlebars, you'll probably be just fine. And I may yet fabricate something that makes this a whole lot better, as I have access to a CNC mill and could probably design something more elegant.

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Fit
The next thing I notice about this windscreen is that it doesn't quite allow an unobstructed view of the turn signals. With just a bit more cut out, this would probably be perfect. This isn't a dealbreaker by any stretch of the imagination, just a bit of an oversight that could be easily made better.

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Next up on my list of nits is the headlight opening, which doesn't conform very well to the headlight. This causes the edge of the windshield to pick up the light from the headlight and pipe it up to the top, where it's directly in my field of view.

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Ride

So with the windshield mounted (albeit in a kind of backward way) I pronounced it fit for a test ride, grabbed my helmet, and took off.

The first thing I noticed in riding is the one thing that you all read this far to find out: yes, it's quiet. A lot quieter than my CeeBaileys 20". This windshield is taller, of course, and that probably has a lot to do with it. At 26", It's almost too tall for me. I can see over it, but just barely. All the wind seems to be pushed over my head, though, and that results in a quiet ride. For the first time ever, I was able to hear my engine at freeway speeds. I understand now why people gush over the boxer engine -- it's a beautiful thing to listen to at 80mph.

The ride was not without problems, however. The aforementioned light-pipe effect was noticeable even before the sun went down, so at night it will probably be very obnoxious. Also, the top of the windscreen flops around a lot. The horizontal radius of this windshield is fairly shallow, and as a result the structure just doesn't have the same stiffness as the CeeBaileys. Couple that with the much better BMW bracket that the CeeBaileys mounts to, and the difference in stiffness between the two is like night and day. The CeeBaileys doesn't move at all. The Parabellum Sport moves a lot. To the point of annoyance, I think.

Summary
So is this the Right Windshield™ for me? Probably not. It's a significant noise improvement over the CeeBaileys 20", but it has several downsides: the mounting, the light-pipe effect, and the lack of stiffness being the three major drawbacks. I can work around the mounting with my own bracket design, and the light-pipe effect can be mitigated, but there's not much I can do about the stiffness.

I'll continue to ride with this windshield for a while and post an update in a few weeks.
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Re: Parabellum Sport Windshield - First Impressions

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Jess,

THANKS! You've saved me having to buy one.. :) I'd be interested in your other thoughts on the Cee-Bailey. I find mine mostly satisfactory when it's tilted back more (with blocks under the bottom mount - or like mine with a modified BMW bracket.) It still has some noise, but not at an abnoxious level, and turbulence is gone. I'm still working with MadStat Engineering on designing an intermediate mount for the ones using the stock BMW mount that will allow a lot of adjustment (rake and height - independently of each other.)

I'm actually not a big fan of a big windshield - I do prefer air reaching me, even mid-winter in NJ (just less of it directly on my face in mid-winter..) I also found the larger ones were real sails - they noticeably changed the bikes stability in truck-wakes and cross-winds. I guess that's a matter of priorities... and the owners desires.

Be interested in hearing more - and nice photos of the shield/mounts. The mounts do look a bit industrial to me, dunno if I'd be that happy with them, especially if they have to be reversed like yours were and they block part of the instruments.

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I found the hardware and mounting instructions on my Parabellum Scout first class. I would find the position of those top mounting brackets totally unacceptable as IMHO it presents a safety issue.. If someone on this list with one of those shields can't help, I'd suggest a call to Parabellum. Maybe they sent you the wrong brackets, something is definitely wrong. The Parabellum stuff isn't cheap you deserve better.
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mogu83 wrote:I found the hardware and mounting instructions on my Parabellum Scout first class. I would find the position of those top mounting brackets totally unacceptable as IMHO it presents a safety issue.. If someone on this list with one of those shields can't help, I'd suggest a call to Parabellum. Maybe they sent you the wrong brackets, something is definitely wrong. The Parabellum stuff isn't cheap you deserve better.
If I didn't have the bar risers, the mounts would be acceptable. Inelegant, perhaps, but not a safety issue. It's only because I flipped them around that they obscure the gauges.

They're definitely the right mounts, though. The included instructions show a photo of the R1200R headset with those very same brackets attached. The picture in the instructions, though, differs from the picture on their website. The website photo shows similar brackets attached to the stock BMW bracket mount points. If I had to guess, I would guess that they moved it to the handlebar clamps in order to raise the mount points higher up so as to get less flex from the acrylic windshield.
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I think that I'd try to move the upper mount higher, by getting longer screws and spacers for the handlebar clamp mount. Then turn the upper mount at the screen upside down to raise that end a bit too.
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Those appear to be the same mounts as my Parabellum Scout which uses the stock BMW mounting points and the curve of the brackets just nicely cradle the outside of the instrument cluster.

There's gotta be some way to fabricate something to allow you to reverse the brackets and use them the way they were intended.

I agree that the floppiness is due to not only the upper mounting points being a bit low, but the flat curve of the shield itself. The Scout shield is 17" wide. Laying a straightedge across the back, I measure 6 3/4" to the apex of the curve. There is some movement at very high speeds, but not any "flopping" which I'd find very annoying and a little scary.

I'm imagining two small stainless aircraft cables fastened to either side at the top of the shield and anchored to the BMW mounting points with small turnbuckles. Bet they would stop the flopping but they'd look like fecal matter.

Have you notified Parabellum of the floppiness? I'd think they'd be concerned and responsive.
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ShinySideUp wrote:Those appear to be the same mounts as my Parabellum Scout which uses the stock BMW mounting points and the curve of the brackets just nicely cradle the outside of the instrument cluster.
I'm going to guess that your scout brackets look something like this, which is the photo on the Parabellum website:

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And the search for the Holy Grail windscreen continues ... [-o<
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One good thing is that if all else fails you can send the shield back even if they charge a ten percent restocking fee. I looked at the Parabellum and like the looks. Paraballum has an attractive product.
I decided not to go with Parabellum because the shield sizes are limited and some say the mounts can bend at high speeds. Perhaps at 100 mph. Also several manufactures of shields fit the BMW frame. I went with Cee Baileys bought from someone on this web sight. Now I'm looking for a frame as my bike came without a shield. Hope things work out.

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Okay, it didn't last. I couldn't stand the flopping around, and yesterday I removed the Parabellum and re-installed my CeeBaileys.

I'm going to try and do the raised mounting block on the stock touring bracket as others have done here. Yesterday, I cut a riser block out of some 1" HDPE I had lying around the shop, and am currently waiting on delivery of some suitable M5 bolts.
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For all the forums, countless hours of angst and cost, I haven't experienced nor really heard of a good solution to the windshield conundrum.

Bought a few, sold a few, cut some down and eventually ditched all of them.

No shield - never had cleaner air. Sure it gets chilly at times but that is much easier to solve than the shield which realistically only shields the chest, neck and hemet with perhaps a bit of shoulder depending on size.

The wind becomes a problem over about 135 kph (around 84mph). Therefore a sort of default 'cruise control' for the comfort conscious.

Of course if you want to give it a bit and go faster, the struggle reminds you that your licence is closer to oblivion.

Most of all it's a naked bike! That's what we love best about it - isn't it?
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Bodes wrote:Most of all it's a naked bike! That's what we love best about it - isn't it?
Yes, but... riding this bike sans windshield is unpleasant, for me. Getting beat up by the wind -- even at 70mph or so -- gets tiring in a hurry. I bought this bike specifically to travel great distances with, and so fatigue is a very real issue. A windshield is a concession I'm willing to make
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I am fascinated by all the effort being expended to find the right windshield for our bikes. I am still using the BMW "Tall" windshield, which is anything but tall. It is OK for short trips, but really is insufficient for long days in the saddle. My contacts at BMW in Germany assure me that the R1200RT is the bike for long trips, and that we are pissing up a rope trying to make our "city" bikes work as touring machines. Every time I ride an RT it feels like a ballerina trying to dance in combat boots. I liked the BMW touring shield on my R1150R just fine. You would think this would not be that hard. Thanks to all of you who continue to persist in the search.

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I'm seeing a different mounting point alltogether. Your picture is going to the bar clamps. Parabellums is going to the top of the headlight bracket??? I thinks. I want a small sheild just so I can wear my open face helmet and keep some of the direct hit bugs off of me. Lets figure it out...
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Bill Stevenson wrote:My contacts at BMW in Germany assure me that the R1200RT is the bike for long trips, and that we are pissing up a rope trying to make our "city" bikes work as touring machines.
This really isn't too surprising, given that they went to the trouble of designing the RT for touring, only to watch us completely ignore their wisdom. :) That said, the RT provides a bunch of stuff that, while nice for touring, we're not really asking for. We're not asking for protection from the weather (i.e. extensive fairings), electrically heated seats, electrically adjustable everything, or the 100 extra pounds that go with it. We're just asking for a relatively quiet windshield, something that many other bikes through the ages have managed to achieve.

In any case, if BMW hadn't included the ability to use the RTs side cases on the R, I might never have considered it as a viable option. So it's their own damn fault. ;)
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rokinrider wrote:I'm seeing a different mounting point alltogether. Your picture is going to the bar clamps. Parabellums is going to the top of the headlight bracket??? I thinks. I want a small sheild just so I can wear my open face helmet and keep some of the direct hit bugs off of me. Lets figure it out...
That's what it looks like on their website, but that's decidedly not what they're currently shipping. The version I got has a nice, very clear photograph of how the windshield is supposed to be mounted, and it's definitely mounting to the handlebar clamps. Comparing what's on their website to what they shipped, it's clear they moved the mounting point (and the corresponding holes in the acrylic) upwards in order to get better stiffness. It wasn't enough, though. I'm pronouncing this windshield unfit from a design standpoint.
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And again - I thank you for the trials and tribulations of trying this shield. It avoided my having to explain to SWMBO what another shield was doing arriving via UPS..

Being short and squat has it's advantages I guess.. I'm pretty much satisfied for 3 seasons with the 20" Cee-Bailey shield, with my modified BMW mount (tilted back made ALL the difference) - and with the shortie 16" Cee-Bailey for the hot season. I may actually be simplifying my windshield collection soon... Cy Young is on his way to my house for dinner tonight, with the intent of looking at the windshield museum.. :) We'll see what he thinks might work for him (he is just the opposite of short/squat..)

The 20" C/B shield, tilted back, ends up about 4-5" below eye-level for me, and worked adequately even in the depths of winter in providing enough wind-break to allow me to take some decent length rides in sub 40F temps (with heated gear of course..) and that's as good as I can expect or want.
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deilenberger wrote:I'm pretty much satisfied for 3 seasons with the 20" Cee-Bailey shield, with my modified BMW mount (tilted back made ALL the difference)
Am I remembering correctly that you used a combination of a spacer block and a modification to the OEM bracket, or were you just considering doing so? Looking at the CeeBaileys 20" windshield, there appears to be a small amount of space between the inside of the shield and the instrument cluster, and it seems the OEM bracket could be made to lean back slightly with some modification.

On the other hand, I'm beginning to wonder if the reported improvements to the CeeBaileys setup have less to do with the angle of the windshield and more to do with the fact that additional air is being allowed in between the headlight and the windshield, thereby equalizing the pressure behind the windshield and removing turbulence and buffeting. It's hard to know precisely what is contributing to the improvement, but if it were just the equalization of pressure, the same effects could be achieved by cutting a duct (say, a NACA duct) into the windshield.
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jess wrote:
deilenberger wrote:I'm pretty much satisfied for 3 seasons with the 20" Cee-Bailey shield, with my modified BMW mount (tilted back made ALL the difference)
Am I remembering correctly that you used a combination of a spacer block and a modification to the OEM bracket, or were you just considering doing so? Looking at the CeeBaileys 20" windshield, there appears to be a small amount of space between the inside of the shield and the instrument cluster, and it seems the OEM bracket could be made to lean back slightly with some modification.
Just a modified mount (the lower mounting position is extended about 1-1.25" or so..)
On the other hand, I'm beginning to wonder if the reported improvements to the CeeBaileys setup have less to do with the angle of the windshield and more to do with the fact that additional air is being allowed in between the headlight and the windshield, thereby equalizing the pressure behind the windshield and removing turbulence and buffeting. It's hard to know precisely what is contributing to the improvement, but if it were just the equalization of pressure, the same effects could be achieved by cutting a duct (say, a NACA duct) into the windshield.
I wondered the same - and I suspect both are a component, but my experience with the CalSci was - the hole didn't make a huge difference (and I was working with Mark Lawrence on different size holes - from small to huge) - the angle made the BIG difference (including with the CalSci.) With the CalSci - it went from basically unsatisfactory for me to "wow, that's smooth" with an increase in the shield angle.

It's simple to try - the other Don has offered up spacer blocks at a very reasonable price if you're not handy with brazing or welding..
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deilenberger wrote:I wondered the same - and I suspect both are a component, but my experience with the CalSci was - the hole didn't make a huge difference (and I was working with Mark Lawrence on different size holes - from small to huge) - the angle made the BIG difference (including with the CalSci.) With the CalSci - it went from basically unsatisfactory for me to "wow, that's smooth" with an increase in the shield angle.
Ah! Good to know. Thanks.
deilenberger wrote:It's simple to try - the other Don has offered up spacer blocks at a very reasonable price if you're not handy with brazing or welding..
I've already cut a spacer block out of HDPE, I'm just waiting on some suitable M5 bolts from McMaster.
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