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I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:54 am
by Lost Rider
After much soul searching, and the experience I've had in the last 3 weeks or 6000 miles on my Roadster I finally have given up on riding my R like an dual sport adventure bike. Too many close calls while riding way off road.
The last time this happened I was crossing a wet, muddy mountain pass near the Redwoods NP in northern cali, after riding 100's of miles along the Rio Grande in sand or big loose rocks, or 70 miles on solid ice crossing the Cascades in Oregon.
That was it, I give up. My R just can't go where I want and as fast as I want safely.



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After surviving 25 miles of wet, slick clay on a mountain road near Redwoods Nation Park, I called A+S BMW near Sacramento and asked if they had a 800GS in stock... they did.
I set out from Cresent City at 6am in the rain to go to A+S the next day...
I arrived around 3 PM, took a test ride and at around 7 PM I left with my new F800GS and a truck load of boxes!
Along the way I became friends with my sales guy, Ted, a fellow ADV rider who's super cool and nice.
Instead of going to a hotel and installing the many needed farkles in a parking lot (I can't live with paying $100 an hour to have someone install guards, racks, etc) I went to Teds house and we transformed the GS into my new adventure touring bike. So now I'm 2200 miles from home and I have 2 bikes! (I'm still sorting the logistics..)

We woke up this morning to do what any right minded new owner of a GS would do, go get DIRTY and drop my bike in the mud! :mrgreen:

Before we could go, we went to a local spot where all the cool people with cool cars and bike go on Sunday morning.....
That's where I ran into r1150r's own Dan-A !
It was cool to finally meet Dan, and he was there on his ultra tricked out 800GS... reminding me of the future farkling that will need to happen... thanks Dan! :evil:
SO after hanging out, meeting some really nice folks, and looking cool with our yellow ( the fast color he says) GS's we had some breakfast, split up and then I set out to GET DIRTY!

I had won the lottery with buying the bike from Ted, he was a great ride leader taking us through a variety of terrain...
I won't get into a whole review or anything, but I LOVE THIS BIKE!
It is perfectly balanced with plenty of power, great handing, good enough comfort for touring, and most importantly it's off road riding qualities. It was a breeze riding this thing in mud, on loose gravel, and through deep rivers. I'm going to really have a blast on this bike....
I see my roadster going back to it's beautiful naked state with this new addition to the family.
Anyways, enough with the blabbering, let me introduce my first dual sport motorcycle, the F800GS......




















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Who needs a GS?.... I need a GS !


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Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:43 am
by bobw
Sweeeeet!! =D> Looking forward to a new volume of trip reports with your new steed. I like my friends 1200GS, but it is just too big/heavy for the type of terrain you are finding yourself in. Not trying to start an arguement with any 1200gs guys as it is an amazing bike, but I think BMW came up with a real winner in your new ride.

Safe travels!

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:24 am
by Dan-A
Congrats Joe! I was waiting to see what and when you posted and I didn't want to give it away so I didn't say anything.

Great to finally meet you. Enjoy the bike, I am enjoying mine!

I hope to continue to see you here, but I also hope to see you over at http://f800riders.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=67. :D

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:01 am
by tobes
Just awesome man, big congrats! =D>
Mike...

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:29 pm
by deilenberger
Joe,

Thank Dog! Sorta like asking "When did you stop beating your wife?" answer being "When I got a new mistress.."

Very cool, and we'll all be glad to see the R12R "retired" to pavement use, although it was great fun pointing the GS posers to your photos of the R12R in improbable spots.

You gonna make either (or both) nationals this summer?

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:10 pm
by Lost Rider
Thanks guys!
Too bad I just left the dealer where they adjusted the chain and now it just broke... I'm waiting for them to come get me now... Still love this bike and glad it didn't happen in Baja next week...
Cheers

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:46 pm
by kmjune117
Awesome man...thanks for sharing. Have fun!!

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:04 pm
by Dan-A
ChiTown wrote:Thanks guys!
Too bad I just left the dealer where they adjusted the chain and now it just broke... I'm waiting for them to come get me now... Still love this bike and glad it didn't happen in Baja next week...
Cheers
Ya gotta quit poppin all those wheelies!

We're sure having fun with Joe in town. Next stop, Death Valley.

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:22 pm
by spenserj87
Joe - nice bike. I bought my R1200R from Ted at A&S. I'm sure he's given you "tips" for Baja and maybe told you some of his stories. If you are heading south through CA, try not to miss Hwy 25, 198, and 41 (see the James Dean memorial). No 800GS at the time, but I've been in there drooling over them many times. I look forward to reading about the new rides....and farkles of course.

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:03 pm
by ka5ysy
Nice Bike !. I see you just could not wait to get it on the ground and roll around in the hay :lol:

If anybody else is being seduced, there are four F800 GS's at Heberts BMW in Baton Rouge. Heberts is cajun, pronounced like "A-BEAR", rather than how it looks. I took a ride on one last week, and it is a nice ride, delightfully light with very quick throttle response. It also is weird to look down and not see any jugs hanging out to the side :shock: It is very well balanced for slow speed maneuvers. You are going to love that bike.

ChiTown wrote: ChiTown wrote:Thanks guys!
Too bad I just left the dealer where they adjusted the chain and now it just broke... I'm waiting for them to come get me now... Still love this bike and glad it didn't happen in Baja next week...
Cheers
Did I mention that it has a lot of torque for an inline twin ? :badgrin:

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:15 pm
by Lost Rider
Thanks guys!
yes I will have to stop the wheelies Dan... :badgrin:


I know this is the wrong forum, but it will be hard for me to break my habits and I likes it here...


After riding 200 miles my chain had loosened up greatly, going from properly tight to 4+ inches of play.
Kind of weird but since I've been blessed with no chain for years I didn't think much of it. The next day I went back to A+S to sort out some other stuff (let the farkling begin!) anyways they tightened the chain up for me and I set off. I stopped for gas, pulled out, nailed the gas, and BAM! the chain broke.
Lucky for me I was on the way to Ted from A+S's house and he came and picked me up with a trailer. My bikes there and will be fixed tomorrow. Slightly annoying, but poo happens and I'm just glad it didn't happen in a few day when I'm in Death Valley, or next week in Baja, and A+S is all over it.

Any thoughts? New chains don't break right?
Did I just get a defective one?

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Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:03 am
by deilenberger
New chains loosen a bit - but not that much that fast. The design BMW used with the chain sproket concentric with the swingarm pivot means there is no change in chain tension as the suspension compresses.. a nice feature. I'd suspect that they may have overtightened the chain when they adjusted it.. I'm sure there is a spec somewhere on how much sag it should have between sprokets.

edit: I withdraw the comment about the sproket being concentric with the swingarm pivot.. which model has that? Is it the road ones with the belts? I'm surprised the GS doesn't have it.. it should greatly lengthen chain life.

In this case - the chain has to be adjusted with the swingarm horizontal to the ground - which should be the longest distance between the two sprockets. If they adjusted it with the bike unloaded, chances are it was way too tight when the suspension compressed.

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:45 am
by tobes
My last three bikes have shafts and the one before those was a chain but I never did anything but oil it occasionally. Would it be wise to carry a spare if you're heading into the wild? Not sure how much work it is to replace one.

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:26 am
by Lost Rider
deilenberger wrote: In this case - the chain has to be adjusted with the swingarm horizontal to the ground - which should be the longest distance between the two sprockets. If they adjusted it with the bike unloaded, chances are it was way too tight when the suspension compressed.

we did adjust it with the bike loaded, even checked it with me on it... I think it was adjusted properly, though someone on ADV suggested maybe they didn't get it straight and a tooth on the sprocket broke it. it broke mid plate on the link.
we'll see what they tomorrow

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:19 pm
by Lost Rider
A+S is replacing both sprockets and chain, plus guards, cut wire harness, etc...
They were going to replace it with a DID chain, but only have a OEM chain in stock. They are taking good care of me and I'm just glad it happened here in town and I bought the bike from A+S.
Turns out there is a 650, 850GS chain and sprocket recall, though the US dealers have not received the bulletin yet.... it might or might not have anything to do with this.... the timing is suspicious though.

http://motorcycleinfo.org/2009/01/bm...f800gs-recall/


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OMG !

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:22 am
by ka5ysy
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Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:10 am
by deilenberger
If Joe's link didn't work - try this one: http://motorcycleinfo.org/2009/01/bmw-f ... gs-recall/

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:10 pm
by qgaex
deilenberger wrote:New chains loosen a bit - but not that much that fast. The design BMW used with the chain sproket concentric with the swingarm pivot means there is no change in chain tension as the suspension compresses.. a nice feature. I'd suspect that they may have overtightened the chain when they adjusted it.. I'm sure there is a spec somewhere on how much sag it should have between sprokets.

edit: I withdraw the comment about the sproket being concentric with the swingarm pivot.. which model has that? Is it the road ones with the belts? I'm surprised the GS doesn't have it.. it should greatly lengthen chain life.

In this case - the chain has to be adjusted with the swingarm horizontal to the ground - which should be the longest distance between the two sprockets. If they adjusted it with the bike unloaded, chances are it was way too tight when the suspension compressed.
Hi Don

I believe it's the new 450 cc BMW competition dirt bikes that have this feature.

Cheers

qgaex
+feelingbetterwithshaftdrive+

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:10 pm
by ErikM
A good ( DID or RK are an excellent brand) properly adjusted X or O ring chain does not just break. I'd want to find out what caused it to fail. New X/O ring chains are pre-streched.. there should be minimal streching on a new chain. The weak point is of course always the master link; but a riveted masterlink should also not fail. Keep in mind that there are many more chain drive bikes than shafties, and chain fialure isn't a common ocurance. If you're gonna put big miles on this bike I's strongly recommend a Scott Oiler, prolly add 10K miles to the life of the chain.

Re: I've Turned to The Dark Side...

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:04 am
by ziobato
deilenberger wrote:... although it was great fun pointing the GS posers to your photos of the R12R in improbable spots...
100%!!! =D> (i did it so many time to keep their mouth shut :lol: :lol: :lol: )