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Avon Storm ST tires

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:24 am
by motorcyclepanzer
Did you ever add an accessory to your motorcycle that totally changed it's character (hopefully for the better) from before you put it on?

That's the experience I had yesterday riding from DePere back home to Adams after my 24000 mile service on the Beemer and having a fresh new set of Avon Storm ST's.
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The OEM tires I got on my Boxer were Dunlops and while they handled great the rear only lasted about 3000 miles.

Then I followed the BMW elitists and using the Metzler Z-6 Roadtec. I've never really been happy with the Metzlers. The front Roadtec has a pointy profile which gives you good initial turn-in for cornering but the countersteering wasn't linear and as the rear started to wear it took more effort to maintain a line.

The other criticism of the Z-6's is the rear has no center tread. The outer treads can be relatively deep and the center solid strip can be worn down to the cords with no warning.

I had a very positive experience with the Avon Azaros that I used on my F650. I never had any issues with wet traction and they handled great. The only criticism I had was the front Azaro had a wandering crease in the center that made the tire feel funny at low speeds.

Before I left the dealer I made sure the tire pressures were at the same pressure as the old buns.

It didn't take any more than turning out of the lot of Nick's to realize that that something was different.

The first real hard corner I took was an exit cloverleaf from HWY 41 to 441. Wary of how new tires can sometimes be a little slick I took it a little easy while leaned over. While I was able to feel the creases, tar snakes, and cracks there wasn't any of the skipping or bump-steer I had before. It's hard to explain but the bike just felt more "planted." According to Avon the Storm "Incorporates the very latest bike tyre technology 'Reactive Footprint'. The tyres contact patch changes size and shape depending on lean angle - for the life of the tyre."

The real test came on the winding back roads of Winnebago, Waushara, and Marquette counties. I made a point of taking non-numbered roads all the way back from Eureka to Adams through little bergs like Neshkoro, Dakota, Budsin, and Westfield. Many of these roads have sharper left-right tight transitions.

I can tell that while Avons don't initially change direction as quickly as the Metz tires, once leaned over they require absolutely no countersteering effort to maintain a line. These are the most neutral tires I've never had on a motorcycle....ever.

I'll check back in a few months and let you guys know how they're wearing. I usually get about 6000 miles out of a rear tire and I have no reason te believe that I'll get any more...or less out of these.

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:25 pm
by slant
Regarding the Avon tires I agree.
Over the years I had sampled many makes and profiles.
Since I arrived at Avons Azaros about 3 years ago.... and now of course the Storms....... I have been content and just wear them out and without hesitation replace them. Cupping the front tire ? No longer ! Listen Dunlop and Bridgestone !
Neutral, confidence inspiring and fairly long lasting.
AND, not bad in the rain ! :P

Kettenkrad

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:28 pm
by slant
Hey Motorcyclepanzer, I like your Avatar ! That was NSU powered "Kettenkrad" if I am not mistaken.

slant

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:40 pm
by R4R&R
I've noticed with every tire change, the bike's handling improves. Mostly because while you don't notice it, the 'worn out' tires really affect it. I've changed brands I don't know how many times, and always a new set of tires makes the bike turn in like 'never before'. Give the new tires a thousand miles, and let us know how they feel.

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:05 pm
by motorcyclepanzer
R4R&R wrote:I've noticed with every tire change, the bike's handling improves. Mostly because while you don't notice it, the 'worn out' tires really affect it. I've changed brands I don't know how many times, and always a new set of tires makes the bike turn in like 'never before'. Give the new tires a thousand miles, and let us know how they feel.
I know this to be true too. I have, however, never been totally satisfied with the Metzelers. The always seemed to have that shard initial turn-in and kind of felt like a car with an alignment problem when leaned over. I started the riding season with a new rear and still was never happy with it from the start.

When I had the Avon Azaros on my F650 I was never disappointed with them. even when they had a fairly worn flat center they still cornered great.

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:13 pm
by wncbmw
My complaint with my Avons was the handling got noticeable worse as they aged and I ended up taking them off with plenty of tread left. I have heard other people say the same. Perhaps the newer version will do better.

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:18 pm
by cworley5150
I was thinking there was another thread on the Storms on here, but I couldn't find it so I'll basically repeat my post.

I just finished up a set of the Storms on my Rockster and I will not be buying them again. No problems in the handling department. Even up to the last 100 miles on them they felt stable and planted and turned in well. My gripe is that I got less miles out of them than any other tire I have ever used. Even less than some of the "sport" tires out there. Checked my odometer this morning to be sure and it has been 3400 miles since mounting them and the rear is totally gone. The front has maybe another 2k miles left. It actually still looks pretty decent. And yes, I kept a close eye on tire pressures throughout the life of these tires. I usually run 36psi in the front and around 38-41psi in the rear depending on load. Usually closer to 41 due to being loaded up with side and top cases and plus I am no lightweight. I should also add that they wore fairly evenly. The rear did not square off as bad as other tires and no cupping of the front so far.

My take on the Storms is that Avon has come out with a very sticky and well mannered tire that should be sold as a "Sport" tire and not a "Sport Touring" tire. These things are soft. After a good hard day in the twisties the rubber will be balling up at the edges. So have confidence in them in the performance department. They surely will not slip on you. If you are generally more of a touring rider, look elsewhere.

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:22 pm
by cworley5150
Just found the other thread on the Storms.

http://r1150r.org/board/viewtopic.php?t ... sc&start=0

Re: Avon Storm ST tires

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:45 pm
by RForestR
motorcyclepanzer wrote:The OEM tires I got on my Boxer were Dunlops and while they handled great the rear only lasted about 3000 miles.
Wow. That's surprising, I am swapping out my OEM Dunlops on Friday for the new Conti Road Attack. The Dunlops are certainly not showing cords yet, although the rear has squared off enough to make me want to get rid of them.

The surprising part is that I've gotten 14500kms out of the set. They'd probably be good for another 500 or so, but heading to Kentucky for the weekend, 'bout 1600kms round trip, and don't want to risk it.

Cheers,
Chris

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:18 pm
by bmwdave52
Try some Michelin Pilot Roads.