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Cuz everyone knows your a trouble makerOU812 wrote:"litigation"
That word brought out so much crying when I mentioned it on 4 diff forums that I got a timeout on 2.
frbank6 wrote:Stixx,
I see your point, but remember there were several instances requiring repair in the the first series, Long Way Round. In at least one instance they had to weld up a cracked frame. Also, they would have little incentive to highlight the mechanical foibles of the bikes, should they occur. The suits at BMW probably made such stipulations in their agreement to provide the bikes for the trip. I'm certain they have a fully stocked supply of spares and a competent mechanic(s) at arm's reach as well.
You are correct to point out the new models may not have these spline problems. However, that's cold comfort to those of us with the 1150 series. The sheer number of posts on this and other threads, and perhaps more importantly, the number of people reading along with great trepidation, are far from encouraging.
Thanks there Alfred E, I agree with your points taken as well. Good show. The fact is I have an 1150 R with 18000 mile on the clock and no reason to believe it is going to have a problem but if it does , I bought it for a fraction the cost of new so I may have to suffer the consequence of that . Should that happen I will pay the ransom they will want to repair it and I will ride it for another fifteen thousand miles and sell it , likely for what I paid for it used by then. That said, I doubt I will replace it with another if in fact it bites me that hard in only 18,000 miles.
See my point. There are a lot of ways to look at problems with machinery but having a Mini Cooper and previously owned a couple beemers and now a bike by a company that seems to have a larger than life rep for longevity while continuing to fail miserable in the US at reliability issues has some QC issues to address. I was told by a beemer salesman recently to get over the reliability issues, BMW has never said it was the most reliable car , only the best driving car.
Translate that to Bikes I can only pray that is not the prevailing attitude at Motorad as well.
Personally I think it might be a fluke and we can all relax and continue to ride these beasts knowing they are highly stressed soft metal powered antique technology engines brought up to the twenty first century with add on technology to keep the mystique going and who lover the R engine and BMW charm will keep buying them and trading them when the warranty is up. Smucks like me that save ten grand buying slightly used may have to pay for that in repair. Time will tell.
Hell I might go by a VStrom tomorrow and just go back in power up in technology and quite worrying about what my next 6000 mile service will cost . I must be an idiot anyway for I paid more for my clothes than I did my last motorcycle brand new. I do love my BMW underwear though. Sure keeps the monkey butt at bay. LOL
You guys forgive me I'm going through an identity crisis on Bikes this week. Pray I'll come to my senses , ride the Wee Strom in the AM then get my sorry butt back to Hotlanta in one piece all reassured that nothing can replace my beloved R 1150 R no matter how much vasaline I need to take to the service department.
yuk yuk................
I don't think anyone here is demanding perfection. We just don't expect to be lied to or abandoned after paying a high price for admission.
A friend of mine recently recieved a check for 1.5X Kelly Blue Book for a Toyota Tacoma from Toyota Motor Corp.; He recieved a letter from them indicating that there was a potential problem with a group of vehicles, including his VIN #. He took the vehicle to a listed local dealer, they inspected it and said "We'd like to give you $1.5X bluebook." Not a check for credit toward one of their vehicles only, a check for cash.VERY important words there.
The world has changed a LOT since that time, the accountants and lawyers are in control and any issue which could be regarded as litigious will be hushed up as quietly as possible these days to avoid opening the floodgates.
all 02's hmmmm I wonder what colors?? 
and jpsmith 04 failed at 28,200 mile on 28 July 08 and reported here.... also filed complaints with bmw and ntsa. http://www.bmwbmw.org/bmwforums/viewtopic.php?t=12294 includes pictures if you read the whole thread. No joy from BMW. THey don't recognize analysis and repair that is not performed in a AUTHORIZED BMW shop. Jimparkec wrote:no
AUDIT AUDIT
I came up with three... in thead.
Awagnon 02 RT 43k
Johnnys1 02RT
Ncator 02 r1150r 22k
missed the Johnnyst1 "me too"
I think that litigation is a viable option reserved for times when other methods fail to produce the desired results. This could very well be the case with Spline and Final Drive failures. As long as it is not the reflex action of a Mad Man, then I have no problem with it. I do however find fault with frivilous pursuit for sport or jackpot gain.OU812 wrote:"litigation"
That word brought out so much crying when I mentioned it on 4 diff forums that I got a timeout on 2.
JimMine is an 04 Rockster with 16kparkec wrote:no
AUDIT AUDIT
I came up with three... in thead.
Awagnon 02 RT 43k
Johnnys1 02RT
Ncator 02 r1150r 22k
missed the Johnnyst1 "me too"