$13000 plus this for a 1200????? Dont get it?

Hoosier Rider · Post by **Hoosier Rider** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:15 am

The base price of $12600 is about what I would expect to pay for a new bike. I priced out a 1200R last week & with the only options I would want(center stand,clear turn signals,sport shield) + destination charge, it came to $13400 before negotiating. The main thing for me is how smooth is that 1200 engine? I rode an 1150R a couple of years ago & within 10 miles my hands & arms had been vibrated numb up to my elbows. I want a new 1200R but I gotta ride one. If it vibes anything at all like the 1150 I'll have to forget about it. If it's anywhere close to being as smooth as my Valkyrie, I might just be an active member of this board when Spring gets here.

Post by **socalrob** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:40 am

I test road an R1200R on Thursday. I was very impressed on how smooth it was. On the grips there was about zero vibration. At the pegs there was a bit of a vibration in the mid 5,000's. I did not get the chance to take it up to 8,000rpms, so not sure if the vibe goes away or gets worse. Thing to remember is that in top gear that mid 5,000's vibration would be up towards 90mph I'm guessing, so not where you would be racking up interstate miles. I like a vibration that tells me when I'm getting a bit hot on the bike.

Like I said, very smooth, almost more like an inline 4 than our old boxers.

The bike's power is about perfect for its frame & style. In fact, any more engine braking & the thing would start to be dificult to ride smoothly.

My main complaint was the wind screen, I'd most likely want a bigger one, more like the current sports shield.

Pricewise, I'd be looking at about $15,500 the way I would get it, then $1,500 for Ohlins front & rear. The Ducati S4RS I'm looking at comes with Ohlins front & rear, at $15,500. Of course it has no ABS or heated grips or other gizmos. Hey, I'd be gizmo free. The difference in price is not the driving thing for me.

Of course, at least with the Ducatii the wheels stay on.

homer j · Post by **homer j** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:14 pm

you pay for what you get , bmw make bikes that last the pace,
you don,t see many japanese bikes lasting for 20 yrs,
tis all about enjoyment pretty soon you will be lucky if you can throw your leg over it, keep it between the ditches

Post by **yjleesvrr** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:36 pm

pepe - say now, that's a purrrty bike! Kinda in the spirit of the 1200 Bandit. Wonder what the wind protection will be like compared to the S and GT.

johno · Post by **johno** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:52 pm

The front on that 1200R sport looks like leftover bits from the R1100S

Still a nice looking bike.

pepebmw · Post by **pepebmw** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:30 pm

It's not as bloaty at the K1200GT and looks cooler than the K1200S. I still like the naked one though. Took a demo ride on the K1200R and came away impressed big time. The ESA technology is way cool. But would I buy it? Naw, maybe not, no garage, no house, still looking for a job, and prefer to stick to one motorcycle, the HP2, the do-everything bike with no weight problem. Now, if only a demo ride would help.

Post by **Acpantera** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:49 pm

I too think that BMW is waaaaayyyyy off base on this one. I always believed that you get what you pay for.........BUT......... when I see that a new bottom boxer beemer with the options that came STANDERD on my 2002 is 50% more in cost I just want to get sick. Comparing motorcycles in this class the beemer was always alittle more expensive but well worth it. Now they really over priced the roadster and why would anyone shopping for a naked 1 litre + bike even consider the BMW? I was always a boxer fan but when they start pricing like snobish bratts I'll have to shop elsewhere when it comes time to get off the beakster(I still love it). The price of the entry level boxer should only have increased 3% per year and maybe a touch more after the redo........sorry BMW, I no longer see the value in this model .

motorradguy · Post by **motorradguy** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:31 pm

Acpantera, I bought one because it IS a BMW. The ride was just about perfect, the handling shapr and quick and the ergoes perfect! Go find that in a Jap bike......albeit at half the price....but IMHO you give up alot.

I rode an 1150R for a while...great bike. The R1200R is leaps and bounds better. My out the door price??? $15,300.00 and worth every penny.

Respectfully,

Motorradguy

Post by **AllanCook** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:22 pm

I'm with you motorradguy. It wasn't cheap, but I haven't had a single moment's buyer's remorse. The. Best. Motorcycle. Ever.

Post by **MikeCam** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:59 pm

According to your math and factor the $9990.00 entry level Boxer would cost $12290 today for the same bike. Allowing for both the disfavorable exchange rate and the new design then $13025 is not unreasonable.

The old Boxer w/ ABS at $12190.00 would cost $14990.00 today after an annual 3% inflation factor. Still not allowing for exchange and new design.

So it appears BMW agree with you.

Post by **Acpantera** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:34 am

Soooooo, I guess that when I look at the BMW web site and see a 2006 R1150R base price of 10,990 and a 2007 R1200R for 13,025 I should feel that it has that much more "value added"? One thing I did notice is that ABS is about half the price on the 1200 than it is on the 1150 ......WHY would that be?.....was BMW gouging us on the price of the last system or on the new bike?

Brownw3 · Post by **Brownw3** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:38 pm

A lot of problems with perceptions here:

1. The R1200R is nobody's bottom of the line. This bike has everything and for $15,300, that inludes the BMW Navigator II! Let's see; 100+ horsepower, ABS, stability control (I've ridden one, the new damper is a special thing) luggage grid (comes with, just no bags) and its black with white pinstripes.

2. Go to a motor company dealership and ask for a comfortable, ready to ride long disatnce ABS equipped 100HP motorcycle. Guess what? They don't have one! and if they did it wouldn't be $15,000 with an advanced navigation system plugged in. Where are you guys shopping? Blue light bike mart?

3. Only on the internet will you here someone call a 1200CC boxer super-cycle a starter or bottom line bike. Just get used to it; BMW only makes very nice, expensive bikes for people with lots of disposable income. You want cheap, go buy a V-Strom or get one of those F800s's

In short? Exactly what are you guys talking about? THese bikes are expensive and worth every single Pfennig. If you're seriously thinking about getting rid of a 4 year old bike, you're not Beemer riders anyway! Have some discipline, use your bike until its fully depreciated (125,000 miles is a start) and then go look at new ones.

You're killing me. :P

pneuby · Post by **pneuby** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:24 pm

Brownw3 wrote: Have some discipline, use your bike until its fully depreciated (125,000 miles is a start) and then go look at new ones.

ONLY 100K left to go!

HILLBILLIEBIKER · Post by **HILLBILLIEBIKER** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:33 am

I too have stopped at the local dealer to check out the new R1200R and was asked to take it for a "ride". I declined. It would cause me to feel my RR was inadequate. My '02 is worth 5K+ a little so the difference would work out to 10K+ taxes which I don't have and would rather spend on a 1200C tricked out to look like http://www.cruso.info/gg_showroom/gg05.jpg
then I would have the best of both worlds on the cheap.

Post by **celticus** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:45 am

Which two worlds exactly does that bike represent? I don't think it is for me.
The R1200R looks just about right.
Mark

WhoZat · Post by **WhoZat** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:44 pm

"The R1200R is just too bland, way too bland for 15k to 16k."

Yeah I said the same thing about my R1150R in 2001, not so much for the styling (I loved it!) but for function. And even after financing it for $15K, 58,000 miles later I felt like I got MORE than my money's worth.

BMW listened to us whine about what we wished our 1150's had, and lo & behold..... they hooked us up with exactly what we wanted with the NEW R1200R. I took it for a spin recently, and even with the improvements, it was like being back with an old friend again.

"Expensive", "Quality", who's to disagree? One thing for sure, it's a BMW and has nothing in common with all the other cookie cutters out there.

dragonmojo · Post by **dragonmojo** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:47 pm

pneuby wrote:
Brownw3 wrote: Have some discipline, use your bike until its fully depreciated (125,000 miles is a start) and then go look at new ones.

ONLY 100K left to go!

Interesting point. Now I am curious how many of us posters are 100,000 Mile members (or 200,000, or 300,000... I don't know if they have any members in the 400,000 Mile Club yet)? I am working on 200,000 Mile membership, which is appx 33,000 miles away and at my current rate should be in just over 3 years.

Post by **scottybooj** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:01 am

can you say Brutale?

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$13000 plus this for a 1200????? Dont get it?

Heh,

Best Of What Two Worlds?