Fuel filter relocate questions on R1150R

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Thanks, Duegi. On a whim I stopped into an O'Reilly's Auto Parts close to where I work, and lo and behold they had three pieces sitting on the shelf, lol, so I grabbed one. So as soon as the other parts get here I can bundle up the tank, at least. Haven't bought a vehicle part made in Turkey for awhile, lol.

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Next stop, sanding flat the wheel area around the valve stems so I can put steel stems on. Never a dull moment, lol.

Duegi or anyone, what is the micron spec on the in-tank filter? I went to grab a couple of the external versions (NAPA GOld) and he said they were 20 micron filters.

I also see the WIX version filter some have suggested, that has both tips on one side, is 10 microns, I think. I would like to stay at 10 if possible but has anyone found one that has the tips on both sides?
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Got my BeemerBoneyard stuff, in, woohoo!. Woh...the fuel sock looks way different, lol.

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Hey Duegi or someone who has ordered the bemmerboneyard fuel filter kit...I have two small o-rings, and not sure exactly where those go. Do they go onto the fuel pump, or could they go on the hoses that go to the tank cap? The pic shows one of the hoses off, and the red mark is over a thick black washer that slides back and forth. I am just currently unsure if I need to put those o-rings somewhere if I am not touching the fuel pump, thanks.

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If they are small o-rings, a pencil could fit through the middle, those replace the o-rings on the QRs.
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Lol...duhhhh, never crossed my mind :)...have just been putting vaseline in there. I will stop spamming now :oops:
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Hey does anyone know the filtering spec of the stock internal fuel filter? I want to use an external filter of similar capability, but the in lines I m seeing say 20 microns. The Wix with the in and out on one side is 10 microns, but I plumbed it for inline before I thought to ask.
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Well, after a lot of searching and reviewing, I've decided to just get a couple of the oem type/spec filters and use them. The only filter (picture/ Autozone Luberfiner brand) that even mentions being able to filter down to "almost ten microns" is so much smaller than the original I'd be afraid of restricting flow rate, not to mention the sheer amount of filtering area available. So, ordered some Enduralast versions of the oem, and it will be a tighter squeeze, but will feel better about it. Probably just keep an extra onboard. I will be riding a lot in some sketchy parts of the US this summer, lol, probably more exposed to marginal gasoline than to this point. Have only had one fuel filter clog on a motorcycle in all my years riding, and only a couple in cars, but hey...it would only take one time late at night trying to replace that internal one and my good fortune would be long-forgotten, lol, even though AAA would probably find me :). Just remember, virtually every cross-ref filter out there on our lists (with the exception of the Wix with the input/output on the same side) are 20 microns, while the oems are 10. Just sayin. Should we worry about that? I dunno, why did they put 10 micron filters in there in the first place if they didn't think it would matter? :-k

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Size matters :badgrin:
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Just a matter of time :lol:
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Well, not a lot of chatter here, I expect it has been seen by all many times, lol, but I finally am about to bring this to a close, successfully I hope. After a couple of rethinks, I will pressurize the system tomorrow with new gasoline and start it.

Last week I looked over Mac's how-to one more time, and while reading it something made me check the hose I had bought to replace the outer hoses which would hold the filter. It was the R9 version...but I noticed it had "50 psi" on it, and I took that to be the max for which it was rated. I have seen various numbers to describe the psi in the fuel system, but most of them were higher than 50, so since I just wasn't sure where the lowest psi in the whole system might be, I went ahead and got two more lengths of the R10 mentioned and seen above. Pricey but at least I know all the hose replaced has an identical rating, 100 psi. This filter is not small, same size as oem, but try to find one of those smaller ones that will do 10 microns.

I also went ahead and decided to order replacement fuel filters that filtered at the same rating as the oem, 10 microns. These filters appear to be direct replacements for the KL145, with ratings of 80 psi. http://www.euromotoelectrics.com/product-p/ff-859.htm

I got FI clamps from two different sources, and something a bit odd about one of the brands...they seem to have a softer metal neck under the screw, because they would actually screw down until the two pieces pressed together by the time the threads could no longer clamp. The other set of clamps seemed to reach max clamping force before the ends began to bend. Not a huge deal, but different.

Before I put the new gasoline in, I noticed what looked like some flakes of debris in the tank after the gas all evaporated out. I suppose it did that after being dry for several days. There wasn't much, and I suspect the dual sock will prevent most of it from going into the pump, but I went ahead and dumped in a few cans of SeaFoam and sloshed it around well. Then I vacuumed all the liquid out again, not sure if I got it completely out, but lots of straw-slurping, so about all I can do to clean the inside.

Tomorrow I will put enough gasoline in to cover over the flange and see if any seepage is going on, and then turn on the ignition and see if everything holds with no leaks. Then I will start it.

Thanks for the advice on this thread, hope it hasn't been too boring, lol.

Oh, the place where I got the filters, they also carry a corrugated rubber hose that will replace the hose inside tank instead of buying the straight lengths. 15 bucks for the length and some clamps. Makes for a tighter package, but I'd already fitted mine so didn't use it this round.
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Well, no leakage around the tank flange, so I will hook it up this evening and see if it will turn over, lol. I understand there is a reset procedure on the throttle after the batt has been off, will find that, then see if is a go. Maybe it was another model...(scratching head)
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Darnit, pressure testing revealed a couple of leaks, specifically at one end of the filter, and on one tube coming out of the flange. These FI clamps, which I thought were foolproof considering all the talk, seem to be very temperamental, at least in my case. I thought I was very careful when tightening, making sure it was as tight as I could go without breaking something. I did notice two different brands of the clamps seemed to react to torque differently, one brand allowed the ends to actually press together, while the other, probably a better quality, held without fatiguing while being tightened.

I am going to replace the clamps on the fuel lines at the flange, and probably add a second one on each tube. As far as the fuel filter area, I dunno, the one on the out side is the same brand and it was holding. Never a dull moment with these things, lol. It make me a bit concerned for the hose inside the tank, and if those clamps are holding.
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I don't have any good advice Rider Rick (sorry) but wanted to thank you for this instructive thread. If nothing else, after reading about your trials and tribulations, I have decided NOT to externalize my fuel filter.

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I understand there is a reset procedure on the throttle after the batt has been off
You're right...turn the key on and without starting the engine twist the throttle open fully a couple times to allow the Motronic to relearn the Throttle Position Sensor response.
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Hi guys, thanks for the comments. Stein, I wouldn't be afraid to try this, I just didn't have everything I needed to do this all at once so it has taken longer than I anticipated. With the exception of the clamps I really wouldn't classify this as a tough deal at all. Now that you see how I went through it, at least, it should make it even easier.

You will still have the issue of your hoses deteriorating inside your tank, and outside, so you'll have to cross that bridge. If these two clamps hadn't leaked I would be happy with the results.

I also believe it would be easier to just replace the filter inside, but I go places where the gasoline could be considered sub-optimum, based on surrounding conditions, lol, so just one experience with a plugged filter inside the tank would be very annoying, lol.

Thanks, Sun, I found the instructions and printed them off right before I saw this :).

I am going to get a small torque wrench and redo the clamps this evening with the correct torque and hope it will be magic, lol. Maybe use two clamps on those tank flanges. Getting major flak from my loser riding buddies to get the thing going :)
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Well I finally got it all put back together (minus a couple of well nuts at the front of each oil cooler cover that went south) and started her up in the barn. Took several seconds to start running, but once it did it never stopped. After warming up it sounded normal.

It did set for several months, and there was a loud tapping on the left side for a few minutes until it warmed up and then it went away. I am not sure what that was, maybe a lifter or something? It never did it after I restarted the bike when it had warmed up a bit.

Anyway, even though the oil only had about 800 miles on it before it went into storage, I'll change that out tomorrow. Glad it is back to "initial shakedown ride" status :).

Now I can get it to the bike shop and get the valve stem areas ground down and metal valve stems added.
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Took it out this evening on an 80 mile run and it held together!! :shock:

No Ghost Rider scenes, lol, clamps are holding and I flogged it good to see if I could get those internal clamps to pop or do something evil. Guess I'll call it good, although I need to add a couple of rubber covers around the clamp area, they are kind of touching the crash bars. Guess I'm ready for a runout to MotoGP, woohooo :)
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