Shoei X-11 and RF-1000

[kay bill c]

Just an update purchased an RF-1000 and love it so far.Have ridden about 800 mile's with it so far this spring seems like i made the right choice for me,went down in cheek pad size and the fit is perfect.thanks for all the input guy's.

[jbim]

I wear Arai's. I've had two RX7. One saved my head and life in a 50 mph crash. Didn't loose conciousness. A good helmet is a very good investment. Go for the best you can afford, and then some.

[famousperson]

I bought the RF-1000 three years ago because the XXL fit my head and none of the other helmets in that particular store did. It's an ok helmet but fogs up something terrible. The next helmet I buy will have the means to prevent that. As it is, I have no desire to spend a whole lot more money for a different helmet just for the sake of change.

[icecave]

While on the subject of helmets, here's a link to another helmet testing program called Sharp. http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/ if you're in the market or just want to see how your helmet rates (needs to be a newer model...).

[kay bill c]

Thanks I'll check out the site, famousperson I have even tried to fog up helmet on these colder morning and can't.It cleaars as fast as I can fog it.Maybe the newer models have inprovement's over your's

[thepeacebullgrunt]

Not that I am trying to divert the editorial line of this thread but what's the deal with those guys ? http://www.extremesupply.com/schuberthh ... rcycle.htm its priced in $$$ and apparently cheap but I tought that Shuberth Helmet were not available in US anymore.

And geeez they are located at 20mns from my place...

[deilenberger]

Not that I am trying to divert the editorial line of this thread but what's the deal with those guys ? http://www.extremesupply.com/schuberthh ... rcycle.htm its priced in $$$ and apparently cheap but I tought that Shuberth Helmet were not available in US anymore.

And geeez they are located at 20mns from my place...

If you have a pin-head (NTTAWWT) - they're the place to go.. they have SMALL and X-SMALL. Apparently they bought out a dealer's remaining stock. They advertise extensively on Flea-Bay.

Thanks for reminding me - their price on faceshields isn't awful, although the anti-fog coating starts to peel after about a year.. so I ordered one and a new liner for my C-II.

[famousperson]

If you have a pin-head (NTTAWWT) - they're the place to go.. they have SMALL and X-SMALL. Apparently they bought out a dealer's remaining stock. They advertise extensively on Flea-Bay.

Or a swollen head (witness my screen name ). I just ordered the "titanium metalic silver" S1 in XXL. A $700 helmet for $300 (no shipping or tax, either), I couldn't resist (thanks for the heads up Frede). My rationale is that they claim that the shield is fog free. I would've ridden in colder weather this winter if that was true of my RF-1000. I'll report on it when it's been on my head for a couple of thousand miles.

The XXL was the right size for my Shoi, so I am taking a shot that this will be the right size for the Shuberth. If it's not, and the pads they sell don't fix it, you'll see it on the for sale forum at an even bigger discount,

[deilenberger]

If you have a pin-head (NTTAWWT) - they're the place to go.. they have SMALL and X-SMALL. Apparently they bought out a dealer's remaining stock. They advertise extensively on Flea-Bay.

Or a swollen head (witness my screen name ). I just ordered the "titanium metalic silver" S1 in XXL. A $700 helmet for $300 (no shipping or tax, either), I couldn't resist (thanks for the heads up Frede). My rationale is that they claim that the shield is fog free. I would've ridden in colder weather this winter if that was true of my RF-1000. I'll report on it when it's been on my head for a couple of thousand miles.

The XXL was the right size for my Shoi, so I am taking a shot that this will be the right size for the Shuberth. If it's not, and the pads they sell don't fix it, you'll see it on the for sale forum at an even bigger discount,

Interesting - only showed SMALL and X-Small on line. I'm guessing you called them?

I have the two-tone jobbie.. The black with white stripes nicely matches the R12R.

If this one doesn't fit'ya - lemme know. I'll likely give you what you paid for it, that's a great price (and I can add another to my collection of C1's and C2's.. old ones are just too good to throw out..)

[deilenberger]

BTW - good website: http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/

UK ratings of helmets including flip-face. Happily Schuberth C2 passes with flying colors.. (stays closed 100% of the time), the BMW System-V gets an even better rating. They haven't posted the C3 (which is supposed to be even better than the C2.)

I seem to remember they used to give more detailed reviews of each helmet.

[famousperson]

Don, you are partially correct. The C2 is available in only s and xs. The S1, the one I got, is available (on the website) as s, m and xl.

[deilenberger]

Don, you are partially correct. The C2 is available in only s and xs. The S1, the one I got, is available (on the website) as s, m and xl.

Ah - then "never mind" - be interested to hear how the S1 works for you (I prefer flip-ups since I wear glasses..)

[famousperson]

I prefer flip-ups, too. Unfortunately, or not, I am not a pinhead. I have a nice flip-up, maker unknown, but I suspect HJC, that has "Harley Davidson" written across the front. I can't bring myself to wear it on the BMW. How foolish is that?!

[thepeacebullgrunt]

Hummmm .... I notice that I made some happy shoppers just from a single tiny post...
Pain is Ignorance ! long life to Internet !

I was thinking of getting a white S1 in Medium from them but I have read bad reviews about it...

So now I am kind of stuck in maybe finding a way to get S3 from a friend in France or Germany but I'll have to pay $$$

What's so wrong with the S1 ? is it too heavy ?
is it really too big ? and might not fit my GIVI 52 in case I need to store in it ?

[celticus]

I prefer flip-ups, too. Unfortunately, or not, I am not a pinhead. I have a nice flip-up, maker unknown, but I suspect HJC, that has "Harley Davidson" written across the front. I can't bring myself to wear it on the BMW. How foolish is that?!

Wouldn't wear it either but with just a little duct tape or stray paint it might be OK.

Mark

[famousperson]

Thanks for the back-up. A strip of black reflective tape would do it. I also have a leather jacket with "Harley-Davidson embossed across the back. It's the nicest jacket I've ever owned. If there is such as thing as reflective cloth, sewing a strip of that over the embossing would fix it right up.

Hummmm .... I notice that I made some happy shoppers just from a single tiny post...
Pain is Ignorance ! long life to Internet !

I was thinking of getting a white S1 in Medium from them but I have read bad reviews about it...

So now I am kind of stuck in maybe finding a way to get S3 from a friend in France or Germany but I'll have to pay $$$

What's so wrong with the S1 ? is it too heavy ?
is it really too big ? and might not fit my GIVI 52 in case I need to store in it ?

I googled Schuberth S1 and came across three reviews, two of them in webBikeWorld. I wouldn't call them bad as much as saying that "for the money" they ought to be smaller, quieter, easier to flip open the visor on and have a normal D-ring chin strap closure. "For the money" doesn't apply since I bought it at less than half price. The other one, by an owner, was unalloyed good. I would say that "for the money" you probably can't go wrong (but I would say that, since I just plunked my money down).

[deilenberger]

I googled Schuberth S1 and came across three reviews, two of them in webBikeWorld. I wouldn't call them bad as much as saying that "for the money" they ought to be smaller, quieter, easier to flip open the visor on and have a normal D-ring chin strap closure. "For the money" doesn't apply since I bought it at less than half price. The other one, by an owner, was unalloyed good. I would say that "for the money" you probably can't go wrong (but I would say that, since I just plunked my money down).

I don't get this fanaticism with an inferior fastening design for the chin straps - D rings. The only plus I can think of to the D ring is it makes it easier to lock the helmet to the bike if you're the type that believe serious thieves will be deterred by a simple strap that can be cut with a pocket knife. The snap fastener of the Schuberth can be fastened/unfastened with gloved hands, always goes back to the correct spot and makes a positive noise when it's fastened correctly.

It's another case of journalistic jingoistic Luddite ism. It's different so it's bad. Bullpucky.

And the feel that for the money it should be magic is also puzzling. Using that philosophy, a $29.95 Chinese knockoff helmet is a wonderful buy - since it provides basic protection of sorts at a low price point. Everything on top of the basic protection is simply gravy and not worth paying for.

I always consider the bias of the reviewer in reviews (I've done enough myself to know it's a factor..) and if I don't think their needs and wants are close to mine, I'll use that information to weigh the points they make in a review. As soon as I see a complaint about no D rings - I know the review will be worthless to me since the person hasn't gotten their head out of their ass yet.

[thepeacebullgrunt]

There is a new XL Schuberth C3 for $450 on Ebay motors located in the US...

And by the way beside the $700 C3 there is also a Vemar Jiano flip up helmet that appear to be well reviewed...

I'll be curious to try both for a week just to compare.


I have some questions !
If I wear my helmet absolutely every day
how many years will I need to end up in position to buy a new one
just because the foam padding inside the shell are not anymore crash efficient ?

And is a $700 Schuberth helmet inner padding live longer than a cheaper helmet ?

[NeilS]

The non-resilient energy-absorbing inner liner actually lasts a long time if you don't crash or drop your helmet on the ground. What does degrade is the comfort padding between your head and the inner liner. The material loses resiliency and wears due to mechanical contact with your head as well as chemical attack from your body.

How long does it last? There are too many factors to be able to predict that. It depends on the materials themselves, how long you wear the helmet, environmental conditions, and the chemical makeup of your perspiration.

I don't see much difference in the lives of those materials between very expensive helmets and cheaper ones. However, on more expensive helmets, the padding can often be removed and washed, which presumably extends its life. Most manufacturers suggest replacing their helmets after five years, but I don't know if that's the marketing department or the engineers speaking.

[deilenberger]

There is a new XL Schuberth C3 for $450 on Ebay motors located in the US...

Unfortunately - not an XXL, but an XL (61cm), I need XXL (big noggin). Saw it a week or so ago and inquired. Good price though..

And by the way beside the $700 C3 there is also a Vemar Jiano flip up helmet that appear to be well reviewed...

I'll be curious to try both for a week just to compare.


I have some questions !
If I wear my helmet absolutely every day
how many years will I need to end up in position to buy a new one
just because the foam padding inside the shell are not anymore crash efficient ?

And is a $700 Schuberth helmet inner padding live longer than a cheaper helmet ?

The foam padding actually doesn't deteriorate all that fast unless it's exposed to some chemicals or impact. Chemicals like gasoline contain various solvents that will attack foam). Good reason not to store your helmet over your gas cap. The foam can also deteriorate if you make it a habit (as some people I know do) of tossing the helmet over their mirror when they get off the bike. The foam gets compressed that way.

I don't think there is any hard-fast answer as to the more expensive helmet having a longer lasting foam liner. The foam liner isn't an expensive part of a helmet. Some higher $$ helmets do use dual-density foam to better control compression in an accident, providing better protection against the brain slamming into the inside of your skull under an impact. That probably DOES cost more money to engineer, test and build, and is part of the reason some helmets cost more than others.

If you wear your helmet every day - I suspect the reason to replace it would eventually be it gets so funky smelling that you can't stand it. Once a year I try to give my helmets a good washing - head off the funky smell. This year I ordered a new liner (the cloth part) for my helmet since ExtremeSupply has them available for Concept-II helmets, and mine isn't as good as it once was due to being washed a number of times.