Clutch fluid replacement, easier way?

Topics related to the ownership, maintenance, equipping, operation, and riding of the R1150R.

Moderator: Moderators

Clutch fluid replacement, easier way?

Postby R1150Rclean » Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:09 pm

So I have replaced the clutch fluid, and what I found is that I had to replaced the reservoir cover and screws every time I drained and filled up the reservoir during a bleed (it was really old/bad the first time I did it so it took several refills). If I did not replace the reservoir cover, fluid would shoot out of the small hole in the bottom of the reservoir when I pulled the clutch lever. Any one find a way to avoid having to replace the clutch reservoir cover during the bleed, and if not do the screws need to be replaced?
Thanks
R1150Rclean
Basic User
 
Posts: 176
Joined: Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:09 pm

Re: Clutch fluid replacement, easier way?

Postby sweatmark » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:20 am

I'm tempted to fashion a clutch/brake cover piece out of whatever material is appropriate, for use during the fluid changes. Have been curious about trying pressure bleeding using such a reservoir cover, supplying fresh fluid at low pressure (e.g. 5-10 psig) and pushing the new juice all the way through circuit.

If the cover has valved vent tube with working end protruding into reservior chamber at desired working height, then at end of fluid purge, the push pressure could be stopped and vent opened tobleed off excess fluid until working height is reached. Swear I've seen a working version of this idea somwhere online, but can't find it now.

Bought a small (1/4") pressure regulator to use for this, as secondary means of pressure control over my air compressor's main regulator.

Tough part would be sealing the cover against the clutch/brake reservior body. The OE covers aren't that spendy, but would prefer a cheaper option like block of hardwood shaped to fit, with some kind of gasket material to seal the edges.

Result of all this would be simple clutch/brake bleeding, with no worried about the reservior "fountain of youth" or "Old Faithful geyser" phenomenon that spits DOT4 everywhere.
2004 R1150R Rockster
2007 F800S
Buell XB - rare American Sportsbike, for sale
User avatar
sweatmark
Quadruple Lifer
 
Posts: 993
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:11 am
Location: Oregon USA

Re: Clutch fluid replacement, easier way?

Postby boxermania » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:00 am

I use the following almost exclusively, after many years of trial and tribulations.

1) Remove as much old brake fluid from the master cylinder, insuring you don't uncover the hole that feeds the cylinder (to keep air contamination at a minimum)
2) Fill the reservoir with new fluid, it helps to turn the handlebar to the position where the MC is as level as possible and lock it there.
3) Use a hand vacuum pump, with the intermediate reservoir to pull a vacuum on the slave cylinder. They can be bough at Harbor Freight
4) With a long hose that allows you to pull vacuum and monitor the MC level proceed with the bleeding/refill until clear fluid is drawn through.
5) Insure the area in the vicinity of the MC is covered in case there is brake fluid spillage.
Member #312
06 Suzuki Burgman 650 "state of flux"
79 CBX
User avatar
boxermania
Quadruple Lifer
 
Posts: 3532
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:37 pm
Location: Baton Rouge, LA.....aproaching retirement

Re: Clutch fluid replacement, easier way?

Postby Buckster » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:29 am

I'm with boxermania with the hand pump. I have one and make the job pretty easy. I got a Mityvac from Amazon for around $25.
http://mityvac.com/pages/products_hvpo.asp
Buckster '03R
#543
User avatar
Buckster
Lifer
 
Posts: 749
Joined: Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:53 pm
Location: Richmond, VA

Re: Clutch fluid replacement, easier way?

Postby R1150Rclean » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:13 am

boxermania wrote:3) Use a hand vacuum pump, with the intermediate reservoir to pull a vacuum on the slave cylinder. They can be bough at Harbor Freight


Boxermania,
Got everything except for the above, what are you referring to as the intermediate reservoir? Are you not using the end bleeder valve on the right side?
R1150Rclean
Basic User
 
Posts: 176
Joined: Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:09 pm

Re: Clutch fluid replacement, easier way?

Postby iowabeakster » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:03 pm

Hes talking about something like this...

Image

If you just want to keep the fluid from shooting out of the master...I drop a clean utility knife blade in the reservoir...like this (technically this the front brake though).

Image
I was dreaming when I wrote this, forgive me if it goes astray...
User avatar
iowabeakster
Quadruple Lifer
 
Posts: 1759
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:43 am
Location: iowa city, ia

Re: Clutch fluid replacement, easier way?

Postby Sunbeemer » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:54 pm

If you just want to keep the fluid from shooting out of the master...I drop a clean utility knife blade in the reservoir...


=D> =D> =D>

That's 8)
Rich
Going to the sun on a Blue '02...
User avatar
Sunbeemer
Member
 
Posts: 963
Joined: Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:48 pm
Location: Sunny St. Pete, FL

Re: Clutch fluid replacement, easier way?

Postby riceburner » Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:35 am

just put the rubber boot back in..... simples!
Non quod, sed quomodo.
User avatar
riceburner
Basic User
 
Posts: 2189
Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:54 am
Location: Hiding in your blind spot....

Re: Clutch fluid replacement, easier way?

Postby CycleRob » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:31 am

iowabeakster, It's the simplest solutions that that are the most elegant. A clean razor knife blade. Heavy enough to not flip over. Shaped so it always covers the geyser hole. Definitely 8)

To avoid the geyser, I just squeezed the lever real slow for the first 1/4" (6mm) so there's not enough pressure or flow to form a geyser. I just see upward fluid movement with a tame central bulge.
As soon as the master cylinder piston's seal goes past the tiny bleedback hole's opening and you feel pumping resistance, you can squeeze it as fast as you want.
I have also put the rubber bellows back in, but it hides the descending liquid level too much as the fluid is being pumped out the bleeder. The slow squeeze or the razor blade techniques allow you to see the fluid level, so air entry won't happen and you can maximize the refill time interval.
`09 F800ST

Member since Sept 10, 2001

Only one who can see the invisible
can do the impossible.
User avatar
CycleRob
Member
 
Posts: 2114
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:29 am
Location: Enjoying retirement in Gainesville GA. USA

Re: Clutch fluid replacement, easier way?

Postby R1150Rclean » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:02 pm

All right, thanks for the info., I guess a quarter would work too, but will try the slow squeeze first. =D>
R1150Rclean
Basic User
 
Posts: 176
Joined: Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:09 pm

Re: Clutch fluid replacement, easier way?

Postby R1150Rclean » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:18 pm

The slow squeeze works, until you forget! I ended up using a torx socket to cover the hole and when done just lifted the torx socket out by the torx end and then wiped off the socket.

So I am thinking the clutch oil is getting dark so quickly because of the heat it sees on the back side of the engine. Anyone else think so?
R1150Rclean
Basic User
 
Posts: 176
Joined: Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:09 pm


Return to R1150R

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest